Planning for parenting

What does it cost to have a kid? For those of you who are recent parents, what have your major costs been for each year of your child's life?

Just curious. No kids coming down the line.
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    chirag — Oct 25, 2006 3:20:26 PM — #

    Here is my tally of just the basic must haves (figures in Rs/month):
    Diapers: 1500
    Milk Powder: 2500
    Nanny: 3000
    Pediatrician: 500 (average cost of consulting + vaccinations)

    So that is a recurring cost of around 7500 per month for the must haves. Not counting small things like special soap, shampoo, powder etc.

    There there is a one time cost of things like:
    - Stroller: 6000
    - Bed: 3000
    - Bottles (whole bunch of them): 4000
    - Bottle sanitizer: 1500

    There there are things like clothes that need to change every 3 months cos the baby gets bigger and toys that the baby is bored of after 6 minutes. There is no limit to money that you can spend on clothes and toys ...

    This is just a list of things off my head!
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      chirag — Oct 25, 2006 9:36:24 PM — #

      Forgot to mention. Shaylee is 15 months old.
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      Kiran Jonnalagadda — Oct 26, 2006 10:20:18 AM — #

      I've been told it's best to give the baby the cheapest toys available, because the baby can't tell the difference anyway and won't care for the toy in a little while.

      Rs 7500 a month in 2006 money for a 15 month old baby. Do you have estimates for earlier costs? Something that can be graphed? Should make an interesting planning tool.
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        chirag — Oct 26, 2006 10:50:10 AM — #

        For Shaylee the amount has been some what constant around 7500 Rs (for the must haves, clothes toys and books separate). When she was younger she was using more diapers but less milk powder. There was no nanny but doc visits were frequent, more medicines and another bai to massage her. Even when she grows up cost towards milk powder and diapers will stop and those funds will be diverted towards pre-school. (Nanny will still be around as pre-schools are for 3 hours or so). So I think 7500 will be approx. constant for 2 more years.

        You are partly correct about the toys. Only issue with buying not so expensive toys is the finishing and other things like chemicals used in some cheap Made in China toys. I generally buy http://www.fisher-price.com toys for Shaylee.

        Ones that she no longer plays with are hidden in a closet and come out after 2 months and she thinks they are new!! So we keep rotating them. :)
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        quizling — Oct 26, 2006 11:47:47 AM — #

        > I've been told it's best to give the baby the cheapest toys available.

        Cheap is fine, so long as it doesn't involve (a) sharp edges and (b) toxic colours. But by that yardstick, most of the toys I played with in childhood wouldn't make the grade. Wood was popular, but the paints were suspect. Metal toys rusted quickly and had sharp edges. The only good thing was that plastic was not very common.

        Based on [info]hapuchu's list above, I asked my mother what expenses she incurred in raising me in the first year of my life (1970).

        Diapers: Unknown at the time; they were home-made at very little cost from discarded cotton sarees.
        Milk Powder: Minimal expense. I was breastfed till I was over one year old. A tin of Balamul or Farex cost less than Rs 5 and lasted two weeks.
        Nanny: Rs 20 a month for a part-time maid. No obliging grandparents or babysitters.
        Pediatrician: About Rs 100 for the whole year, including vaccinations and consultation charges.
        Special soap, shampoo, powder: Around Rs 10 a month. I recall a large value-for-money plastic can of talcum powder from Johnson & Johnson with cute nursery rhymes on it. It lasted a whole year.
        Stroller: Unknown; never had one.
        Bed: Shared mother's bed; father slept in the living room
        Bottles: Rs 15 for a year's supply (2-3 glass bottles; plastic was unpopular because the material available at the time couldn't be sterilised in boiling water, and it smelt).
        Bottle sanitizer: Never hear of it.
        Toys: Mostly inexpensive. A year's supply of rattles, balls and blocks would have cost around Rs 20.
        Clothes: Minimal cost; many were home-made from old white cotton sarees.

        That adds up to approximately Rs 50 a month, which sounds very cheap, but it wasn't so because the monthly household income at the time was around Rs 300. So, raising a baby in 1970 took around 15 percent of the household income (for my parents at least). It still does for most middle-class profesionals, so things haven't changed all that much.

        The difference is that much of today's expenses can be reduced if you can bear to bring up your baby in a *sensibly* middle-class fashion. I never wore diapers that cost Rs 200 a pack, or played with expensive toys, but I don't feel deprived because of it. :)
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          Kiran Jonnalagadda — Oct 26, 2006 11:53:10 AM — #

          The image of you in diapers is somewhat jarring, Hari.
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            quizling — Oct 26, 2006 12:16:09 PM — #

            Okay, how about this dude then?
            Whoops - I think I crapped in my nonexistent diapers!
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        Anonymous — Oct 26, 2006 12:10:11 PM — #

        Thanks for bringing this topic up.
        Even though we are not planning to have a baby right away, it is good to know what it costs (7500/pm yikes!).

        And the question of one parent taking a break to bring up the kid is even more relevant in that context.

        -pradeep
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      brainz — Oct 26, 2006 11:29:09 AM — #

      I wonder, how people who live in slums afford to have babies? If it costs 7.5k a month. *boggles*
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        quizling — Oct 26, 2006 12:01:25 PM — #

        Babies don't *need* strollers, full-time nannies or branded diapers, and expensive clothes and toys are totally unnecessary. So it's possible to bring them up at one-fourth of that amount, without seriously depriving them. I imagine that's what the lower middle-class does.

        But it's still too much if you ask me. Besides, expenses shoot up sharply when they enter school, and peak in late adolescence. Even slum dwellers' teenaged children wear branded jeans and sneakers. I wouldn't be surprised to see at least some of them with mobile phones and iPods as well.
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          chirag — Oct 26, 2006 1:44:24 PM — #

          Babies dont need stroller. *Parents* need them. Again babies dont need nannies or disposable diaper, parents need them.

          Babies just need food, sleep and someone to clean their sh*t. Babies are happier playing with a cardboard boxes, plates, spoons etc compared to expensive toys! :)
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        chirag — Oct 26, 2006 1:39:36 PM — #

        You already know the answer! :)

        But still ... here is what they must be doing or what I would have done if I did not have some extra cash:

        - Diapers: Use reusable cloth diapers instead of disposable ones
        - Milk Powder: Use normal Nandini milk instead of milk powder
        - Nanny: No need of Nanny. Mommy is enough.
        Pediatrician: Go the a regular doc who charges 30-50 Rs per visit.
        - Stroller: No need to stroller. Carry the baby and develop more bonding with it.
        - Bed: Make it sleep in your regular bed
        - Bottles (whole bunch of them): Use regular bottles instead of Dr. Brown Bottle (http://www.handi-craft.com/index.shtm)
        - Bottle sanitizer: Sanitize the bottle by heating them in normal container.

        There you go. Cost will drop from 7500 to 500 or even less! :)
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    anitab — Oct 25, 2006 4:04:25 PM — #

    hmmm...
    interesting question. though i haven't a clue :) but through friends' experiences i can safely say that they're very expensive. my parents didn't have to spend much, now that i think back to the good old times! but then parents will also assure you that they don't mind spending any amount on their children. so at the end of the day, i'd say it doesn't really matter!
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      Kiran Jonnalagadda — Oct 26, 2006 10:04:42 AM — #

      Re: hmmm...
      What if circumstances compel one to forgo a regular income? Surely it suggests planning in advance?
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        anitab — Oct 30, 2006 10:52:59 AM — #

        Re: hmmm...
        planning in advance? yes, totally recommended. i shudder to think what would happen in any other situation :) but it would be fun never the less. i think as someone pointed out in an earlier comment, it is actually possible to bring up a baby on a much lower cost, but most parents feel that they don't want to "deprive" their kids, who might turn around and point a finger at them for doing that when they grow up!
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    kadambarid — Oct 25, 2006 6:29:32 PM — #

    The older they get, the more expensive things become...
    (i) Daily needs (inclusive of food, house, clothing et al.)
    (ii) Education
    (iii) Entertainment
    (iv) Health care
    IMO, the expenditure depends on the strata of society to which the family belongs (the ability and willingness to spend, that is to say) and the age group of the kid/s. Where the family is based is another criterion that can be looked into...
    I calculated the amount my parents are spending on me, the other day and found that to be a monstrous Rs.7500 a month, on an average inclusive of my hostel fees, my college fees, travel expenditure, mess bills, clothing, healthcare, phone calls and other misc. or random expenses...
    Being a parent must be nightmarish, to say the very least...
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    enigmaticash — Oct 25, 2006 6:33:56 PM — #

    is kids mom coming ? :P
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    quizling — Oct 25, 2006 6:48:17 PM — #

    Stick with a dog. Much cheaper, and you shouldn't ordinarily have to take a bank loan to pay for its education.
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      tsk1979 — Oct 25, 2006 7:11:29 PM — #

      Agree! Seeing our relatives who
      1. Have permanet dark circles.
      2. Crave for even 2 minutes of sleep
      3. Are heading towards poverty line
      4. Smell of pee no matter how much Dior they put
      5. Holiday means a 1 year plan, no packing bags and leaving.
      we have decided not to have kids till we are much much reacher, which means atleast 5 years to go for kids
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        tsk1979 — Oct 25, 2006 7:11:57 PM — #

        meant richer
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        quizling — Oct 25, 2006 7:14:58 PM — #

        From a quick look at my bank balance over the past decade, I calculate that I should be able to afford the cost of raising a child by 2030, when I'm 60. But that doesn't allow for inflation, so it's back to the drawing board. Dang.
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      charlesj — Oct 26, 2006 12:39:16 AM — #

      Plus you don't have to worry if he/she's doing drugs or sleeping with somebody once it reaches adolescence.
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      veenven — Oct 26, 2006 11:26:00 AM — #

      true! true!
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    mat_attack — Oct 25, 2006 6:55:39 PM — #

    Awww!!!
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    purplehazerads — Oct 26, 2006 8:01:32 AM — #

    Well, I once saw a mother buy Winnie the Pooh and Barbie stationery worth Rs. 2500 for her kid's first day at school. Just as a comparison, I used to spend about that much per month (or per semester) on my specialised architectural draughting material.

    It all depends.
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      fatmuttony — Oct 26, 2006 2:18:19 PM — #

      Barbie stationery? I bet the paper is unrealistically thin.
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        quizling — Oct 27, 2006 10:54:06 AM — #

        Not only that; it may even cause all your math sums to go wrong. Best avoided.
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    deponti — Oct 26, 2006 2:24:50 PM — #

    the baby CAN grow up with ordinary milk powder, lying on the floor, and being carried on the hip everywhere. But its MY baby. S/he must get the best of everything. And so the expenses mount up....

    But it is just NOT practical to say, strollers and nannies are NOT needed. Sometimes they are, indeed. The mother also needs a little rest once in a while.

    Babies....are VERY expensive. And that's not only in currency; in terms of the time invested, in terms of the sacrifices (willingly ) made, the anxieties, the worry....and the amazing thing is....those little tykes are WORTH IT!
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      Anonymous — Oct 26, 2006 9:36:32 PM — #

      you call me a tyke?
      I'm NEVER gonna forget that

      -you know who
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        deponti — Oct 29, 2006 12:54:14 PM — #

        HUH. I *NEVER* said MY little tyke was worth it!!
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      quizling — Oct 27, 2006 10:47:26 AM — #

      Parents can easily get by without strollers and nannies and expensive toys, and the vast majority of Indian parents do. However, if you have the money, there's no limit to what you can spend. I don't like babies, so I might find it hard to spare much more than the bare minimum on its upkeep if I ever have one. And I'm not willing to make any sacrifices that may disrupt my personal life. Which is why it makes sense not to have a baby at all if your maternal/paternal gene is absent or defective. :)
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        deponti — Oct 29, 2006 12:59:00 PM — #

        I agree with you, and am going to come and visit you when you have your kid and are pampering him or her with the latest in baby fashions, toys and stuff, and remind you about this comment! And about babies disrupting your personal life...babies BECOME one's personal life when you have them...and as every parent knows, nothing is too good for them.

        But that view can change...as one parent told me, the first baby got Johnson's Baby Soap, the second got Hamam, and the third got "besan" (gram dal flour)..and they all did equally well.
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    booodha — Oct 27, 2006 1:31:02 AM — #

    the love and attention that you give your child will be worth more than any of the things you can purchase...if you have a small budget it is very possible to raise your child as a compassionate/productive citizen of the world...without the "things" you think they may need...I think we are fooled into believing we need more than we actually have....a parent's love is your most powerful tool...when your bank is full of love ..it's time for kids!!
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    urmila — Oct 28, 2006 2:38:41 AM — #

    Off topic!
    (don't beat me up, please)

    "pregnancy" is in the "air".

    5 of my friends are pregnant. 3 of who, want to know if I am. My mother keeps asking as well. My colleagues are planning (saving, scheduling, planning, physically training) to have a baby (or two). Rachael delivered a baby last night on TBS. Monica and Chandler humped (in vain) for one. And now this question on LJ.

    Why, is it such a big deal? It is scary.
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      deponti — Oct 29, 2006 1:11:21 PM — #

      Re: Off topic!
      This isn't really off-topic you know.

      The insidious pressure really builds up and up and up and unless you are VERY thick-skinned, it can either make you decide to have a baby, or it can get to you.

      I do wish having a baby was a personal decision that two people, or even one person, could take, but no, everyone around seems invested in this question...but the thing to do is smile and smile and do what you want!
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    sajith — Oct 29, 2006 12:29:39 AM — #

    Uhhh. This whole discussion have been unsettling.
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    frozenaftermath — Oct 30, 2006 12:12:27 PM — #

    Offtopic..
    Are you available via mail etc right now? Promise it is not for a quote for yet another article and sort of an emergency.
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      Kiran Jonnalagadda — Oct 30, 2006 12:18:33 PM — #

      Re: Offtopic..
      Yes, online at the moment and reading mail.
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    click4cash — Dec 27, 2006 7:24:28 PM — #

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